diff --git a/src/Bundle/ChillPersonBundle/Form/CreationPersonType.php b/src/Bundle/ChillPersonBundle/Form/CreationPersonType.php
index bb40c6c35..83e811eac 100644
--- a/src/Bundle/ChillPersonBundle/Form/CreationPersonType.php
+++ b/src/Bundle/ChillPersonBundle/Form/CreationPersonType.php
@@ -89,6 +89,11 @@ final class CreationPersonType extends AbstractType
                 'label' => false,
             ]);
 
+        $builder->add('identifiers', PersonIdentifiersType::class, [
+            'by_reference' => false,
+            'step' => 'on_create',
+        ]);
+
         if ($this->askCenters) {
             $builder
                 ->add('center', PickCenterType::class, [
diff --git a/src/Bundle/ChillPersonBundle/Form/PersonIdentifiersType.php b/src/Bundle/ChillPersonBundle/Form/PersonIdentifiersType.php
index ea077f626..0ab057280 100644
--- a/src/Bundle/ChillPersonBundle/Form/PersonIdentifiersType.php
+++ b/src/Bundle/ChillPersonBundle/Form/PersonIdentifiersType.php
@@ -12,10 +12,12 @@ declare(strict_types=1);
 namespace Chill\PersonBundle\Form;
 
 use Chill\MainBundle\Templating\TranslatableStringHelperInterface;
+use Chill\PersonBundle\Entity\Identifier\IdentifierPresenceEnum;
 use Chill\PersonBundle\Form\DataMapper\PersonIdentifiersDataMapper;
 use Chill\PersonBundle\PersonIdentifier\PersonIdentifierManagerInterface;
 use Symfony\Component\Form\AbstractType;
 use Symfony\Component\Form\FormBuilderInterface;
+use Symfony\Component\OptionsResolver\OptionsResolver;
 
 final class PersonIdentifiersType extends AbstractType
 {
@@ -32,6 +34,12 @@ final class PersonIdentifiersType extends AbstractType
                 continue;
             }
 
+            // skip some on creation
+            if ('on_create' === $options['step']
+                && IdentifierPresenceEnum::ON_EDIT === $worker->getDefinition()->getPresence()) {
+                continue;
+            }
+
             $subBuilder = $builder->create(
                 'identifier_'.$worker->getDefinition()->getId(),
                 options: [
@@ -45,4 +53,10 @@ final class PersonIdentifiersType extends AbstractType
 
         $builder->setDataMapper($this->identifiersDataMapper);
     }
+
+    public function configureOptions(OptionsResolver $resolver)
+    {
+        $resolver->setDefault('step', 'on_edit')
+            ->setAllowedValues('step', ['on_edit', 'on_create']);
+    }
 }
diff --git a/src/Bundle/ChillPersonBundle/Resources/views/Person/create.html.twig b/src/Bundle/ChillPersonBundle/Resources/views/Person/create.html.twig
index 1ceb84395..5a17acf18 100644
--- a/src/Bundle/ChillPersonBundle/Resources/views/Person/create.html.twig
+++ b/src/Bundle/ChillPersonBundle/Resources/views/Person/create.html.twig
@@ -88,6 +88,15 @@
             <div data-suggest-container="{{ altName.vars.full_name|e('html_attr') }}" class="col-sm-8" style="margin-left: auto;"></div>
         {% endfor %}
     {% endif %}
+    {% if form.identifiers|length > 0 %}
+        {% for f in form.identifiers %}
+            <div class="row mb-1" style="display:flex;">
+                {{ form_row(f) }}
+            </div>
+        {% endfor %}
+    {% else %}
+        {{ form_widget(form.identifiers) }}
+    {% endif %}
 
     {{ form_row(form.gender, { 'label' : 'Gender'|trans }) }}